21 DAILY MICCAI Wednesday Lisa Koch to figure out from observation and from talking to them where AI can be useful. Also, to discover where imaging is used, as opposed to maybe just talking to the patients or other variables. Tell me more about Tübingen. Why Tübingen? What is special about it that we don't know? Tübingen is a small town in the south of Germany. It used to be famous mostly for theology. It's a very old university town, but nowadays it's famous for its AI research. So it's a great place to be! The Max Planck Institute for Intelligence Systems is there, right? It is! And around this, there is a growing community and just excellent infrastructure and excellent fundamental machine learning research. With the clinic, and it's a very strong clinic, it's the perfect place to do the kind of work that we do. Are you going to do research all your life? [hesitates for a moment] I hope so. I do think my interests are varied. So, I think I can be happy in different settings. What I like about academic research is the content of my work, including the topic area. But I also like the job description of an academic researcher. It's so diverse. I love working with the students, teaching, the management and supervision skills, and the technical progress that we make. Lisa, you look very upbeat. I can’t find any weak points where you say, “I am unhappy with this. Maybe I am not doing the right thing.” Is everything perfect? What could go wrong? I mean, it's a very challenging job that we have, with lots of failures. I think failure is at the very essence of research because we are always looking into what we don't know yet! I think if you want to be happy doing research, you have to accept that, somehow. And yeah, I think I have come to terms with that. [laughs] Don’t get me wrong, I love interviewing upbeat people! I just want to learn their secret, that's all. [both laugh] So what's your secret? How do you stay so positive? [hesitates for a moment] I have struggled in the past and I still struggle with some aspects of our work and our job. But I think I've gotten a lot of perspective on what's important for me personally and in my job. I think also through these experiences outside of academia, but
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